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January 2012

Date: 2006-05-11 16:14
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Subject: Renew for Freedom!

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I wanted to point you to this site: http://www.renewforfreedom.org/ . The site itself is only applicable for people who are citizens of the UK - as is most of this post - but you may want to take a look anyway.

I've been subscribed to the mailing list of the organisation behind it - NO2ID (whose site is at http://www.no2id.net/ ) - for some time, and they launched this site last month. Basically, the gist is that we (that is, those of us who are UK citizens) should renew our passports in May, whether they've expired or not. For a mere £51, this will at least keep us from being put on the so-called National Identity Register for 10 years.

May is the month in which NO2ID and their supporters - like me - are making a protest. Although the actual date when the changes will happen will be later - although possibly as early as October - in the meantime you can renew whenever you like. If everybody renews in May, then not only will we be part of a big movement to send a message to the Home Office about how we feel about the NIR, you also won't need to renew for another 10 years, and thus you'll remain off the Register for that time. In the meantime, NO2ID will be doing their best to combat the Register and the ID Card scheme.

There is a factsheet available from the http://www.renewforfreedom.org/ website - look on the right hand side for the graphic saying "NO2ID FACTSHEET 1" (note: PDF link). It explains more about why I (and all the supporters of NO2ID) think this is important, and why I feel we should do the same.

Anyone who knows me will know that I'm not one to normally recommend forwarding messages to people. In fact, when I get forwards, I normally refuse to forward them, look up the message on snopes.com, and if the message is there, point the sender towards it. (btw, if this message somehow ends up on snopes.com: Hi Barbara! :-D)

However, I will say this: If you would like to support the initiative, then as well as making sure to renew your passport in May, you might like to pass on the factsheet, or a link to the 'Renew for Freedom' website, with your endorsement. PLEASE DO NOT SPAM! You could, for example, copy this post or an excerpt of it into your own journal, or email it to friends, colleagues or mailing lists and fora where you regularly post (as long as it's relevant, please) with your own explanation of why you'll be renewing. Or print some copies out and distribute them.

You may also want to visit the "Get Involved" page at the NO2ID website: http://www.no2id.net/getInvolved/index.php . There are a number of options open to you.

I will be renewing my passport in May. If you're a UK citizen... please join me.

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wintermute: britain
User: wmute
Date: 2006-05-11 15:55 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

> The site itself is only applicable for people who are citizens of the UK - as is most of this post

More precisely, it's only applicable to resident citizens of the UK.

My passport needs to be renewed next year, so I was looking into how I go about that the other day. In the course of that investigation, I discovered (much to my joy) that I won't need to take any steps to avoid being placed on the register, as it is only going to be tracking those citizens who are resident in the UK. After all, it would be dificult to enforce around the world.

This has been completely irrelevant to everyone on your friends list who isn't me, I'm sure. But worth pointing out that you can escape the register without renouncing citizenship ;)

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User: soph
Date: 2006-05-11 15:57 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I didn't realise that. Interesting - thanks for letting me know. :)

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User: quicksilverdrop
Date: 2006-05-11 16:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

One thing I never got is why UK people are so paranoid about IDs. Granted, I haven't read the PDF closely, so I can't tell how much of this is empty paranoia and how much is actually part of any kind of law - the PDF seems to be deliberately vague on this. But over here, we've had ID cards for ages - and I don't see how this is a horrible invasion of privacy. As long as we're not talking RFID tags with personal and biometrical data, what's so bad about being registered somewhere? Why be worried about about IDs if you give far more data than just that every time you use your (Tesco Card|Nectar Points|whatever else you call these systems that give you trinkets in exchange for purchasing profiles)?

Getting upset about having your _supposed_ place of residence (note that this doesn't mean you have to actually physically be there at all times) known to the government seems.. like an overreaction. Now, once you _do_ know for sure that there are going to be RFID tags (which, coupled with a lack of understanding on part of the implementers, seems to be just asking for someone to crack them - as it happened in the Netherlands not long ago) on it revealing your info to everyone who sets their mind to it, I see a real reason to get upset.

Until then, stop crying "the government spies on us all!!!!11111". :P

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wintermute: flag
User: wmute
Date: 2006-05-11 16:47 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I think it's less paranoia and more a dislike of the fact theta the government is planning to spend £13bn (so you can quadruple that the get an estimation of the final cost) on a system that they have no justification for.

Just after the London Bombings, the ID card was touted as an anti-terrorism measure, though bno-one could quite explain how it would have prevented that attack, or any other. At other times, it's to prevent the £2 million a year a benefit fraud that's based on false IDs, so it'd pay for itself in a mere hundred thousand years. Sometimes, it's an attempt to track illegal immegrants, who just happen to be the one group they can't reasonably be assigned to. It's to help banks ensure that they know who they're lending money to, except that banks already have excellent databases, and have no desire to switch to one that they have no control over...

But, after all of this, the Home Office is marching forward with "ID cards are good, even if we haven't quite figured out why, yet. Oh, and here's a massive tax hike / cut in public services to pay for it."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/05/complete_idcard_guide/ is, as the title says, everything you need to know. Or was a year or so ago, but it's still very relevant.

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User: soph
Date: 2006-05-12 12:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

What wmute siad, plus the fact that it's more than an ID card. The National Identity Register is the big thing to be worried about, really. Take a look at http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/whyNot.php - it gives a good overview of the situation.

I don't personally think it's empty paranoia at all, myself.

(And hi! Glad to see you back. :))

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User: fuzzie
Date: 2006-05-11 16:21 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Now if only they'd actually let me renew my passport. Idiot countersignature rules...

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User: haunter_uk
Date: 2006-05-11 17:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

See, here's the interesting thing. iirc, phase 2 applies to everyone, weather or not they have a current passport. I don't expect that phase 2 will wait over ten years.

...Not that I had any intention of renewing my passport in 7 years, when it expires. I just... don't travel enough. (Mmm... I've been abroad exactly twice over my entire life, both of those times were with school, which is the only reason I have a passport in the first place)

As for IDs... Within 10 years, we'll either be on phase 2 of compulsary ID cards for everyone reguardless of the status of their passport, or the government will have seen sense and abolished the idea. (Most likely because the UK just doesn't have the infrastructure to implement the database anyway, unless the impossable happens and we get a Lib Dem government in the elections likely to happen in 2009)

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User: varmaflower
Date: 2006-05-16 04:45 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Honestly, I learnd a lot last summer about Germany. In Germany, they know where you are living at all time. If you move, they know where you are moving. They keep a tab on everybody. The post-doct student, who lived in west germany, have no problem with this. It is like she is already use to it. I wonder how the UK will take it when they become a part of that new system in 10 years. In 10 years, what are you going to do for your privacy? This is only buying you 10 years time.

Yes, I am aware of what these ID are. I believe the USA was thinking about something like this a while ago. It is all about control! It is all about power.

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User: varmaflower
Date: 2006-05-16 04:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

I meant to say that they were doing something similiar like in Germany.

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